tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19005814.post7823729517810799324..comments2023-10-26T01:37:49.599-07:00Comments on The Evantine Abbey: Back in the SaddleEvan B. Wilsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08070442133774056436noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19005814.post-2356172863574131332007-07-03T13:41:00.000-07:002007-07-03T13:41:00.000-07:00I think I was a bit upset about your comments. Ap...I think I was a bit upset about your comments. Apologies.Colin Clouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11836100534647181995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19005814.post-88968149492124763802007-07-03T11:35:00.000-07:002007-07-03T11:35:00.000-07:00I walked out of your last talk, but not because I ...I walked out of your last talk, but not because I was offended. I just had to leave. I was sorry I missed the rest of your talk. - Jason Van Bemmel, New Covenant Christian SchoolJason A. Van Bemmelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06504517714802144368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19005814.post-13621084872950699322007-07-03T07:40:00.000-07:002007-07-03T07:40:00.000-07:00howdy evan. glad you are back. i heard this last...howdy evan. glad you are back. i heard this last week and it reminded me of you. and since i can't link to it (flash), i will just have to give you directions.<BR/>http://media.marshillchurch.org/<BR/>sermons - practical topics - studying scripture - "bending under the word"<BR/>all kinds of funny.Mavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04146308279578831215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19005814.post-21265644398810317392007-07-02T21:41:00.000-07:002007-07-02T21:41:00.000-07:00And anyway Tom, you take literature classes. Perh...And anyway Tom, you take literature classes. Perhaps strict allegory isn't good, but Evan raises the same objection to making doctrine from narrative. So...how do your professors determine which papers are good and which are bad? Do they just judge on grammar, or is there some standard they use to say "this analysis of what Shakespeare is saying is flawed. That one is good." And if they do have such a method...why can't we use in in our interpretations of scripture.Colin Clouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11836100534647181995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19005814.post-73693280774202632032007-07-02T21:38:00.000-07:002007-07-02T21:38:00.000-07:00My point is not that we "Cannot tell if this sort ...My point is not that we "Cannot tell if this sort of interpretation is good or bad" so much that this sort of interpretation purposfully removes from itself anything resembling accountability. Allegories of the type above are only falsifiable insofar as they allow the minds they lead the correct degree of satisfaction; if the metaphor is an attractive one (as many are that are nevertheless textually unfounded) the allegorist has done his job and pleased an audience that remains as unnourished as it was when it entered the cathedral.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/><BR/>T.Thomas Bankshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06855333805635398250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19005814.post-7517187890668652732007-07-02T21:17:00.000-07:002007-07-02T21:17:00.000-07:00Unless its more like an art--you can tell Shakespe...Unless its more like an art--you can tell Shakespeare is good and Tom Clancey, well, isn't. Why can't we do the same sort of thing for interpretation.<BR/><BR/>You cannot tell me "The problem with this sort of interpretation is it can lead to anything. We cannot tell if such an interpretation is good or bad. Look at how bad it is." Uh...if we cannot tell when something is bad, how can we tall <I>that</I> is bad?Colin Clouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11836100534647181995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19005814.post-40482521401577715142007-07-02T18:07:00.000-07:002007-07-02T18:07:00.000-07:00Matt-Whatever the relative strengths and weaknesse...Matt-<BR/><BR/>Whatever the relative strengths and weaknesses of Evan's own methodology, one centrally based upon allegory doesn't much benefit us; all it requires of itself is a parallelism between two objects plausible enough to satisfy the palate of the average believer, e.g., <BR/><BR/>"When David strikes the head from the Philistine, he unwittingly prefigures the issue, in 313 A.D., of the Edict of Milan, whereby through leading the Emperor Constantine to an extention of tolerance to the Believing, the Lord struck the Head from the City of Man and brought him into the fold of the City of God, reestablishing his sympathies with those of the One True Church." <BR/><BR/>Or something equally ludicrous. <BR/><BR/>Poetical suggestiveness is the name of the game, which leaves us with no opportunity to "Test everything, and retain what is good."Thomas Bankshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06855333805635398250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19005814.post-53900705691098517522007-07-02T15:22:00.000-07:002007-07-02T15:22:00.000-07:00The funny thing is that I feel exactly the same wa...The funny thing is that I feel exactly the same way about your method of interpretation--it is based on only the hubris of the speaker and the near infantile credulity of the hearer. Ok, I'd be a bit more generous and not include the second half. But if I ask you how you learned your method, you say "reason." If you ask your friend, he says "imitation of Christ and the Apostles."<BR/><BR/>So he does it poorly. Do children speak well? Then should you expect one who is seeking to imitate Christ as a dearly beloved child to be perfect? But far better a child that tries to imitate his parrents and fails than one who never even tries.<BR/><BR/>Kinda proud of that reaction are you? You think maybe you should consider if you accurately represent their position? Does it become acceptable to lie about what someone believes just because what you claim they believe is contrary to scripture? No, rather, it becomes worse.<BR/><BR/>"Judge not lest you judge, for by the same standard which you judge it shall be meted back to you." Do you really want Christ inspect your faith in him as thinly as you inspect a Catholic's faith?Colin Clouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11836100534647181995noreply@blogger.com