Friday, July 17, 2009

Is this True?

Order is better than disorder.
Order within the Overorder is better that order without.
He who is able to order is better than he who can't.
And he who comprehends the functional relationship of his order and the Overorder, that man, he is a saint.

"Think about it, then pop off." John Barry


Thomas Banks said...

Is this meant to be a poem?

Evan B. Wilson said...

Nope. Just a series of statements.

Matthew N. Petersen said...

I don't know.

1) Order is better than disorder: Isn't the problem with Kinkade that there is too much order and not enough disorder? Or in music, a perfect fifth is ordered. But simple perfect fifths is boring, and adding dissonance--poorly ordered sound--increases beauty. You could perhaps reply that disorder is part of order, but that is different from what you said.

2) Uh...ok...though "Overorder" is a really ugly word.

3) I disagree. This is justification by works. :-)

4) I had always thought the greatest of these was love, nor "comprehension of the functional
relationship of the order to the Overorder."

Thomas Banks said...


Considering your first point, I don't that the problem with Kincaid is that there is no disorder, but that he depicts a universe where disorder could never possibly occur, in other words in which order does not triumph over chaos but stands with no opposition. which is dishonest and immoral. In this category of art also are most children's books written after 1950, smooth jazz and most of the things grandmothers use to decorate their homes. (The common factor must be that none of these possess any tension, y/n?)

Evan B. Wilson said...

I would agree with Tom but also say that that Kinkade has a simplistic view of the Overorder and is consequently hamhanded in his "order".

Matt, I am speaking of the operation of the Will for Man. Love is informative and causal to those conscious choices of the Will.
You do believe in the Will, don't you?

Matthew N. Petersen said...


I think that's kinda my point about disorder being a part of order. If we differ it's that I would say that not all disorder is evil, and all evil shall be turned into good disorder. There is more order in tritone-major sixth than in a mere major sixth. (B-F to Bb-G than Bb-G on its own.) The disorder of a part is part of the order of the whole, and without that disorder of the part, the whole would be disordered.


I believe in One Will the Father, the Almighty...

What the Hell? I have no idea what you mean, nor what your point is. Yes, love is the formal cause of the action of the will when the will is finally caused by another. (Which I suppose is always.) The will isn't efficiently caused, and I have no idea what the material cause of the will is, but it surely isn't love.

Evan B. Wilson said...

But do you believe in your own will as well? It seems that the basic problem of man is that his will is distinct from God's will. What do you call that decision generator that you possess?

Matthew N. Petersen said...

I'm not sure exactly what your point is, and I'm not sure what you mean by will.